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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By mic on May 05, 2001 11:47 PM
I haven't been on these forums for long but this is starting to become a stupid argument.

If you don't like the way things go on here, then there's just one simple answer.... Move on!!!!

We're not here to compare who's site is better than who's.

Well... all of this is not an excuse to don't reply an e-mail... why? 'cause of this:

1.) i'm webmaster, forum master and administrator of the 3dmaxfactor page...
2.) i work in an office 8 hours per day
3.) i also go to university (4 hours/day)
4.) i HAVE a family to take care off.. (i'm a dad)

EVEN with all this load of work... i REPLY ALL e-mails from our users... and NEVER in more than 12 hours.... no one can say nothing about this... the works that people are sending me are posted in a TOP record... i never let pass more than 1 day for this... so as you can see... ALL that you had said is NOT an excuse for a SIMPLE reply to an e-mail.. i KNOW that this Ralph guy is not replying 'cause he thinks that oscar's work SUX..! 'cause he is not a pro... YET, and believe me... KEEP doing the things this way and this site is gonna be out of people REAL SOON..!

3dmaxfactor COSTS money ALSO..!! is not for free... and i had spent MONTHS setting the whole stuff to keep it up and running most of the time... our bandwith is not optimal... but i'm wainting to have some bucks to pump it up... (consider that we are starting).. and we are growing FAST.!!! very fast...!

So PLEASE..!!! stop defending this guy... if he has something to say... let him give the fight, you are just using excuses with NO WEIGHT... all you had said.. is NOTHING but (Excuse me about this....) STUPID excuses...!

That's all.!

do you guys even know teh owner of this site?.no.
do you know what he does for a living..no.
do you know if hes got a family...or other things to attend to? no
so why are you judging him? ego-trip?.. umm..certainly not.some people had to wait a few months for their work to be posted because the ammount of work that raph gets submitted is huge. so going through all the works!...and selecting the few best ones is a time consuming task. and with the things that raph has going he just doesnt have time for everything like he used to when he started this site.

please put some thought into your comments before making any final judgements.
he made this site for you guys didnt he?. it also costs money to keep it up...and with the huge bandwidth that this sites gallery goes through the costs arent just a few mere dollars.

maybe the reason why he hasnt posted your work is because it hasnt reached that kind of quality that the others have...so it should be a goal that you should set for yourself. and post on this forum until you get it perfect. if he sees an image that strikes him he will definitely post it!. just keep at it.

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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By admin on May 06, 2001 12:39 AM
Hi,

I just came back from Italy this  week. I also had quite serious health problems. I hadn't time to reply to this thread. As for the e-mails, I can't answer all of them. I receive way too many messages to answer all of them. Since most of the messages are "were my images rejected?", I thought that not seeing them added to the site was a clear response.

It's no more only myself to judge the images, it's a jury of 20 artists and myself now so that it's more fair. I got too many complaints about myself being the only one to decide (evn if it's my site).
The jury is: Dmitry Dee`Mon Savinoff, Dawid Michalczyk, Willi Hammes, Pascal Blanché, Giovanni F Nakpil, Taron, Jeremy Birn, Igor Posavec, Jeremy Engleman, Steve Burke, Hyung Jun Kim, Hubert J Daniel, Victor Garrido, Steven Hagg Stahlberg, Daryl Mandryk, Stephane Belin, Lee Soa, Eni Oken, Peter Syomka, Neil Blevins, Raphael Benedet.
I actually program the script that should e-mail automatically the submitters once the images have been judged.

I also sent some of my best works to Raphael and i never got any reply from him.If a mail has been read, i think a reply with just these words: not good enough - would have been satisfactory, as i tried to see what his oppinion would be.

As I said, too many e-mails. Also, in the past (when there were less submissions), I was replying to all the submissions but then, evrybody asked "why?" and then I had to answer also these ones, etc. ending being insulted for not accepting images.

There is only time and experiance that differ all of us. So I dont see the point in destroying a good outlet as this gallery and refusing talented artists.

Why should everything be added? Consider this site as a virtual museum.

Do I know Mr. Benedet? No.
Do I know about him? No.
Do I have the right as a member to know the criteria about the work submitted? YES.
Do I have the right to be considered and reach the "High Levels" to solve negligence matters? YES.
Can I make critics? YES.

agree

So Mr. Benedet started this site, but now it seems that this site runs by itself, and we are the dummies that maintain the hits so high as they are. And thatīs not what a Community is intended for, we need support, we need answers into a certain period of time...

I work every day on the site but the result is most of the time invisible to visitors. For instance, the jury judges images every day.

I hope this thread to stay as it is and not being erased

Absolutely no reason to remove it, it's a good thread imho.

Also, when people say I'm egocentric, it disgusts me. I would like to know how many people would have worked so much on a site for 7 years during his free time. You don't understand how much amount of time it requires to mainatin such a site. You must understand that I have a lot of other things to do besides maintaining the site.
Since I created this site, I also think I'm free to maintain it as I want. But I also listen to the visitors' comments to change things I like the way they are (e.g. the jury system doesn't allow me to display the images *I* like anymore but people asked for it).

Regards,
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By gman on May 06, 2001 03:08 AM
Fair enough Raphael.  Not a bad answer at all.

-Be well..
-Gav
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By meatycheesyboy on May 06, 2001 10:04 AM
Wow Raph,
Your jury is quite the 'who's who' of the CG industry.  If I ever have a piece that is accepted by that list then I'll be very heppy with myself for about a year afterwards probably.  :)
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Oscar_Contreras on May 06, 2001 12:03 PM
:-)
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By ambient-whisper on May 06, 2001 12:36 PM
ok!?....
no one ever said that you were not good enough....or that you were not wanted..
its just that the concept of this site is different than yours...so that does not mean that you are not wanted here.
ofcourse its your choice to do what you want so good luck to you.
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Saboteur on May 06, 2001 12:36 PM
What a strange site is this!!!

One of the moderators just know nothinī about Mr. Benedet.
We donīt know nothing about Benedet... Who is he, what makes him feel entitled to moderate, if we donīt know if he has the knowledge about 3D Art.

Maybe Oscar could have been a good prospective for this page...
At least Iīm a member of 3D Max Factor, and we know who Oscar is, he is related fith the field, he is a fighter, since he came from Chile to become a 3D Artist... Chile, a country without any means to help him, a country were this is on diapers....

The guy has gained all the respect, from people like Stahlberg and Discreet Instructors, and of course me...

I assume that if he wrote you like he said, at least youīve saved his 3 e-mails in your Outlook or MSN folders. Weīre very interested to read what he said to you....

Call me divious, but the guy has still the point.

Youīve lost a valuable member... believe me.
Someone who could have been a helpful contributor to this site....

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By ambient-whisper on May 06, 2001 01:21 PM
can i ask you what relevance does it make wether i know mr benedet or not?
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Saboteur on May 06, 2001 03:14 PM
Sense of Website or Community...8) thatīs the difference.

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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By ambient-whisper on May 06, 2001 03:40 PM
can you do something for me?.
can you please stop creating negavity on this site?.
i found absolutely no problems with it...except that its a littel slow sometimes...
but you guys are saying that this community isnt for you and all...why come here to tell us this?.
theres many different communities out there..such as highend3d, 3dsociety, 3dark, this site...and not one of them comes to the other one to tell them that they are doing something wrong.

the way it seems to me is that you want to make this site look bad...while making your site look good....to me that seems rather "un-sports man like"...for a lack of a better term..

you guys dont really know oscar either...have you actually met him?. so you cant really know him...
on another note...
highend 3d has a moderator that rarely talks...but the community is a very strong one. no one really knows who the guy is...

im having a hard time understanding you...anyhoo..ive had enough on this topic. i expressed my thoughts..and i really have no more to say..

seems like its starting to go in circles...
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By admin on May 06, 2001 11:49 PM
Hello,

I agree with Ambient-Whisper. I too find you try to create some negativity here.
Can you explain me the different points you complain about? I find your posts to be rather unclear.
I always listen to constructive criticism.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By kerosene on May 07, 2001 01:42 AM
"Who is he, what makes him feel entitled to moderate, if we donīt know if he has the knowledge about 3D Art"<br><br>1. He runs the site. Hi can put pics of his family here if he wants.<br>2. As he clearly stated the gallery is judged by number of persons (who happen to be the persons of 3D scene.<br><br>Why on earth do you blame this site for setting high standards for it's gallery. There are plenty of other places where you can post yuor pics to be exhibited.<br>Every movie can't get an academy award - every pic can't be the best. Now that we know who (the jury) is doing the decisions, who can we blame for not being accepted? Ourselves or the 20 industry professionals?<br><br>And Oscar no one has blacklisted you (though you tried to blacklist Raphael). Do you think that if you now post work the jury will think "man this is that south american trouble maker - lets ban him". No - They are adults. You take all this too seriously and think that people will hate / ban / try to put you down because you have different opinion. It isn't like that.<br><br>Now Alt+Tab to your 3D app. and get some work done :)<br><br>h
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By gman on May 07, 2001 03:55 AM
*YAWN*

The End.
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By The_Guardian on May 07, 2001 04:03 AM
Ehhh, Duh?

Oscar is not complaining for not being accepted into the galleries.

He is complaining because he never recieved answer from Benedet until now...

That is all the situation.
Why crucifying his person. Just for saying the truth?

Benedet has only 19 posts: Nice way to start being a moderator.

By the way Ambient Whisper (calling himself "_me") posted a thread against Oscar, in his own page. That means that his thread really worked, you guys are now scared. Because you realize that this site, your own site has scaped from your own hands. You just cannot handle this situation in a proper way.

HE WAS ONLY WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING AN E-MAIL RESPONSE. NOT TO BE A PART OF YOUR SUPERIORITY BULLSHIT.

Ambient, it only takes a whisper to make you mad?
Why to attack him?

He offered his help in a friendly way!!


I hate to say it....
Itīs hard to say it....

You just donīt seem to get it do you?
You just donīt care about your members, even if you lose them.

Tisk, tisk
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Polydiamond on May 07, 2001 04:15 AM
Gentlemen, youīve lost credibility....

As a matter of fact Iīm registering this issue word by word to be the next subject for an article.

You certainly will know in the future.

My final score :

Oscar Contreras I.Q. : 138
Ambient Whisper I.Q. : 40

Thank you for such a great material for my research....

MUAC!
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By admin on May 07, 2001 04:35 AM
Hello,

All this is going out of proportions.

About Oscar:
I have absolutely nothing against him. Everybody is welcome here. If he is complaining only because of the fact I didn't answer his e-mails, then I sincerely apologize. As I said, I recieve many e-mails and don't have time to answer all of them.
However, in his last post, I had the feeling he had other complaints (as others had), and I would have liked to have a clear explanation.

About the jury:
We never see the names of the artists nor the software, hardware used, only the images. Oscar and anybody who want can submit his/her images and they'll be judged fairly.

However, I still have the feeling some of you (not Oscar) posted here just to create some negativity without making any constructive criticism.

Regards,
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By kerosene on May 07, 2001 05:02 AM
I strongly agree with Raphael.

I really can't see any unjust or impolite posts by the people "defending" this site. On the other hand the attacks are not constructive or clear at all:

"NOT TO BE A PART OF YOUR SUPERIORITY BULLSHIT."
"Gentlemen, youīve lost credibility...."
"Donīt you realize that this site seems a little bit egocentric"


Now who is being hostile?

Also Oscar's:
"I hope this thread to stay as it is and not being erased. If you erase this thread that would significate a coward attitude."
"First, bacause for saying what I think, I now became a target to be blamed instead of being understood"
"I feel kinda mad when I recieve buckets with water for just saying what I think."

What was that water bucket thing? You are critisizing the site the others are responsing. I really see no reason for you to get sentimental. People have said good points like "maybe Raph is  not in th country" etc. If you take those things as insults the go ahead.
No one is attacking you but you defend yourself as you were seriously insulted.

Now how about posting some pics here and checking if you get nice advice or not.

heikki
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By ambient-whisper on May 07, 2001 06:40 AM

By the way Ambient Whisper (calling himself "_me") posted a thread against Oscar, in his own page. That means that his thread really worked, you guys are now scared. Because you realize that this site, your own site has scaped from your own hands. You just cannot handle this situation in a proper way.

can you point me to that thread where i post against oscar?. i would like to read it. i am a moderator on 3 communities so one thing i have learned for sure...is not to take things personally. and if theres a thread with my nick on your site, i will have to ask you to not forge my identity to try to make me look bad deliberately. you can forge peoples identity rather easily but the ip that is logged with each and every message will tell you the trouth
thank you.

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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By gman on May 07, 2001 07:47 AM
No-one knows if it was ambient or not, and I for one do not care either.


Let your images do the talking my friends.

-Gav 'not without controversy' Greaves
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By zerodean on May 07, 2001 03:06 PM
I just want to say I have the utmost respect for Raph... he's created a tremendously awesome resource and his work doesn't go unnoticed within the community.

Believe me, I know how much time it can take to manage such a thing as well as what it can cost, I think many others do as well.

High trafficked sites like this can generate so much email that it could be a full time job replying to it all... and unanswered email generally creates "bad vibes" with those who are not receiving a response. It makes sense, but it sucks. But with only so many hours in the day and a desire to have a life outside of "web site management", what can you do?

Anyway, I'm off to try to experience a piece of that life. Just wanted to say *thanks* Raph!
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By admin on May 08, 2001 09:38 AM
Hi Zero,

Welcome to the forums. I particularly appreciate your nice comments coming from another webmaster of a big 3d site.
I know you understand the problems I have with e-mails and appreciate your support.

Take care,
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Oscar_Contreras on May 08, 2001 04:28 PM
:-)
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Tempest811 on May 09, 2002 07:04 PM
oscar, EXTREMELY well put. One recomendation i have for raph (i am saying this here because i know if i e-mail him, he wont respond to it) is to do something like what 3dtotal.com does where they copy and paste a response for every picture that gets denies (this probably takes them 10 seconds per e-mail), and even thuogh every denial is exactly the same, at least it lets you know they even considered it. The fact that everything is so silent with you judges really doesn't help us artists in finding out what we need to do better to get your attention. I think communicating with other webmasters such as 3dtotal's is a good idea to help you guys out. Apparently there are some unsatisfied artists here. If we promise to make better pictures, you have to promise to make a better aura in the one place where we get to feel good about ourselves.
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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Dimitris_Liatsos on Jul 24, 2002 11:03 PM
8)
Hey Guys...first of all i want to say HI !!!
I know Raph.com existing as long as i work in in 3d , also i have register in two more forums. It is the first time i see so much fight with no meaning.
1. Raph cannot answer everything ( too many messages), accept that.
2. Instead of killing brain cells here ...kill some brain cells in front of your 3d application and make an image that the jury will aproove , i was not accepted once but this didn't  brake me down, it just make me try harder for the next time.

Fights like this can only make this place ugly and not a place of knowledge and challenge as it should be.

Get over it!!! I wanted for too much time to see a forum in RAPH.COM so now that there is one don't spoil it with argues.

Sorry no insult  was intended to anyone .

That's my two cents... i will carry on searching the forum now...thx

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Re: Just for Raphael Benedet 
By Windmill on Sep 29, 2003 10:56 PM
 :o wow.. what a heated thread.

I'm new here, but imo I like the fact that the gallery is as exclusive as it is. I know its hard to get in there + it's tough, (tuff competition, tuff judging, faceless rejections etc) but I think it makes it so much more rewarding for people who get in despite all that.

I think there are different places for different levels of work. I don't think this site needs to cater for both (although this forum is a nice step in that direction - im gonna post some of my stuff as soon as im confident enuff).
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