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Thoughts on raph.com 
By on Dec 14, 2000 04:50 PM
While 3D Artists can sometimes be a good place to view digital illustrations, I feel that it has serious, crippling issues that deserve to be addressed.

Firstly, it is completely ridiculous to claim to represent the digital art community when all submissions are subject to the whims of Raphael Benedet.  Right now, this collection is not indicative of the state of digital art, its indicative of what Raph likes.  Looking at some of his selections, I find it hard to believe he's very well versed in the arts.

Additionally, I find the numerical ranking system rather childish.  Unfortunately, the trend is spilling over to other sites, and shows no signs of letting up.

And so no one jumps to any conclusions, yes, I have submitted my work to this site in the past.  Even though I have been complimented by many of the better artists here, and have even bested some of them in art competitions, Raph found my work boring because it didn't have any people or creatures in it.  Raph apparently doesn't like landscapes.

Fine.

Its his site.

But he should stop pretending its anything more than a bunch of pictures he likes.  Its not an art gallery.



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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
http://www.bprince.com
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By ambient-whisper on Dec 14, 2000 08:59 PM
i agree with what you have to say..but while that image is technically well done...its extremely boring..theres nothing going for it...perhaps you could give the scene some character.:) its too dull...add some excitement:D..
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By Mr.Bad on Dec 15, 2000 09:05 AM
Like you said...it's Raphs site.
It doesn't matter how good you think your work looks. It doesn't matter if the best guys think your stuff is great.   There are plenty of sites that will post anything.

I've seen some sites that are as you say, "indicative of the state of digital art", Raphs whims are way better.
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By on Dec 15, 2000 10:20 AM
I'd rather be subject to the whims of, say, a panel of artists, than one guy who may or may not know anything about art.

I'm not questioning his right to do it, just the way in which he presents it.

Ambient: I can't tell whether or not you're being sarcastic.  

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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
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By Kenneth on Dec 15, 2000 12:21 PM
Does it really matter who decides what goes into the gallery? It's not a competition.
Is it not commendable that someone put up a lot of time and effort to provide the 3D artists with a oppurtunity to show their work.

Is this not an art gallery? Who decides what gets into a "real" gallery? A board of artists? All in the name of fairness...?

If Raphael rejects your pictures there are plenty of other gallerys on the net that may appreiciate your work more, try them.
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By on Dec 15, 2000 02:43 PM


Is it not commendable that someone put up a lot of time and effort to provide the 3D artists with a oppurtunity to show their work.


I'm sure he's well compensated by his advertisers.

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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By ambient-whisper on Jan 02, 2001 01:27 AM
i can only see one advertiser on this whole site...
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By on Jan 02, 2001 10:20 AM
The banner rotates . . . I think it winds up costing about a dollar per click-through to advertise here.

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By JamesK on Jan 02, 2001 03:51 PM
I saw your pic "American flat" in 3D-world a while ago. You'd mailed them a complaint about your image being cropped in the magazine.
Try sticking to doing your thing, instead of complaining about how everyone else do theirs.
And BTW, it's better to have someone selecting the works for a gallery, rather than letting anyone post anything. It just turns to crap.
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By on Jan 02, 2001 06:31 PM
"Try sticking to doing your thing, instead of complaining about how everyone else do theirs."

This /is/ the feedback board right?

"I saw your pic "American flat" in 3D-world a while ago. You'd mailed them a complaint about your image being cropped in the magazine."

Correct.  I also thanked them for including my work, or did they edit that part out?

"And BTW, it's better to have someone selecting the works for a gallery, rather than letting anyone post anything. It just turns to crap."

I never advocated a free-for-all board . . . in my view, an art gallery should be managed by practicing artists, as opposed to an individual who may or may not know anything about the principles of color, design, et cetera.

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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
http://www.bprince.com


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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By ambient-whisper on Jan 03, 2001 02:07 AM


I never advocated a free-for-all board . . . in my view, an art gallery should be managed by practicing artists, as opposed to an individual who may or may not know anything about the principles of color, design, et cetera.


i dont know why, but on the most part i usually disagree with you on most things mr prince.....but this time i have to agree completely....your on to something here...
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By admin on Jan 03, 2001 03:40 AM
Hi,

I've read this thread since the beginning and now it's time for me to reply.
1. I don't remember having received that image from you. I've checked all my mailboxes and didn't find any message from you with this image.
Raph found my work boring because it didn't have any people or creatures in it

I doubt I told you your work was boring because I also like hyper-realistic scenes without characters. Look at Willi Hames, Asier Hernaez Laviña, ... images in the gallery.
And technically, your image is good.

2. Web hosting isn't free, particularly when you have 25 GB of data transfer/month
If I was so interested in money, I wouldn't have worked the four first years losing money, I would place banners on every single page as most sites do and not only on the home page, ...
You have no idea how much I earn with the advertising. Stop making stupid suppositions.

3. I invite you to submit your images to other sites, I'm sure they'll be happy to post them.

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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By on Jan 03, 2001 10:59 AM
Raph, I never intended to imply that you do it for the money, only that you weren't exactlty doing it for free either.  I know how much your banners cost because I work for a company that was interested in purchasing one a while back.

I don't accuse you of anything other than questionable taste.  I have no ill will towards you, I just don't like how you represent this site.

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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
http://www.bprince.com


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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By admin on Jan 03, 2001 11:20 AM
and how do I represent the site?
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By on Jan 03, 2001 12:00 PM
I don't think you make it clear enough that submissions are only reviewed by one person.  How about asking some of your favorite artists to sit on a panel with you when deciding what goes in?

Or maybe an explanation somewhere of exactly what you're looking for in a submission.  Saying that only the "best" make it in isn't constructive, and probably frustrates a lot of rejected applicants.  Ask for things like solid composition, interesting use of color, or a specific subject matter or style (maybe you don't want cel-shaded stuff, or abstract work), and you've given applicants a better idea of what you want.

Those are my suggestions, for what they're worth.  I don't think they'd be too hard to implement, and might make the site feel more like a fair representation of what's out there.

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Brian "balistic" Prince
Artist, Eggington Productions
http://www.bprince.com

Those are my suggestions.
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By SeanW on Jan 24, 2001 01:36 PM
Brian that should have been your first post...
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By Moriarty on May 07, 2001 02:23 PM
This may not be relevant to your conversation but I had to say something and it fit this heading.  I really like this site.  if it wasn't for this site I would not find my journey up the learning curve a fun one.  It'd probably be long and tedious enough for me to quit trying (but that takes alot)

Moriarty
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By Pavster316 on May 23, 2001 01:42 AM
Brian... I am almost sure that there actually IS a board of top artists who judge the images submitted to Raph.  I remember reading it on one of the forums here.  I can't remember all the names of the people, ahhhh... here we go... just found the post.

as said by Raph:
"It's no more only myself to judge the images, it's a jury of 20 artists and myself now so that it's more fair. I got too many complaints about myself being the only one to decide (evn if it's my site).
The jury is: Dmitry Dee`Mon Savinoff, Dawid Michalczyk, Willi Hammes, Pascal Blanché, Giovanni F Nakpil, Taron, Jeremy Birn, Igor Posavec, Jeremy Engleman, Steve Burke, Hyung Jun Kim, Hubert J Daniel, Victor Garrido, Steven Hagg Stahlberg, Daryl Mandryk, Stephane Belin, Lee Soa, Eni Oken, Peter Syomka, Neil Blevins, Raphael Benedet.
I actually program the script that should e-mail automatically the submitters once the images have been judged."


These are some of the best 3D artists out there, so I think this makes it pretty much fare and square.

Peace!
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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By balistic on May 24, 2001 06:16 AM
The jury system was not in place at the time I made my initial post.  I no longer have any problems with how the site is run, in fact you should be seeing some of my work here soon.

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Re: Thoughts on raph.com 
By Jerry_Boucher on Jun 15, 2001 03:27 AM
Having sent some of my work to Raph quite some time ago, I have yet to receive any reply about it. A reply would be nice, just as a common courtesy ;)

Secondly, whilst I do like this site, I feel it has too narrow an outlook. Only 'fantasy' and little else seems to be represented. That's all well and fine, but it is just the top o' the iceberg, and I feel it's missing out on the whole genre of 3D art as a whole. There is stuff out there that is just as exciting to look at without being from a few particular genres.
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